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Tuesday, May 13, 2008
First Eagle Funds Conference Call - May 6, 2008
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Book (mentioned by Eveillard): The Investor's Dilemma: How Mutual Funds Are Betraying Your Trust And What To Do About It By Louis Lowenstein
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Lowenstein Paper: Journey Into the Whirlwind: Graham-and-Doddsville Revisited
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Five value-oriented mutual fund managers that might be worth looking into:
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Monday, May 12, 2008
The best fund manager of our time
Then came the bear market of 1973-74. His favorite stock, a recreational-vehicle company called Executive Industries, started dropping from his initial purchase price of $22 a share. He bought more all the way down to $8, when he ran out of money. (His average cost per share was in the low teens.) The stock hit bottom at 88¢. The memory still haunts Rodriguez, who explains with a bitter laugh: "When somebody says to me today, 'This stock can't go any lower,' I say, 'Au contraire!' "
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Friday, May 9, 2008
Wesco 2008 Annual Meeting Notes
A big thanks to Peter Boodell.
The only duty of corporate executive is to widen the moat. We must make it wider. Every day is to widen the moat. We gave you a competitive advantage, and you must leave us the moat. There are times when it is too tough. But duty should be to widen the moat. I can see instance after instance where that isn’t what people do in business. One must keep their eye on ball of widening the moat, to be a steward of the competitive advantage that came to you. A General in England said, ‘Get you the sons your fathers got, and God will save the Queen.’ At Hewlett Packard, your responsibility is to train and deliver a subordinate who can succeed you. It is not all that complicated – all that mumbo jumbo. We make bricks in Texas which use the same process as in Mesopotamia. You need just a few bits of ethos, and particularly engineering ethos. Think through the system, and get a margin of safety.
Q13: Scott from LA. With portfolio of $2m, vs. that of Berkshire, how would your mandate be different? Small vs mid, us vs intl, etc?
If I was managing smaller money I’d be looking in smaller places, I’d look for mispricing. But I don’t want to change places with you. [laughter]
Q21: Matt from NYC. How does Berkshire thru its subsidiaries manage an annual budgeting process?
We don’t have one. Obsessing over budgets creates bad incentives. Just eliminate unnecessary costs. Budget committees tend to do just the opposite.
Q24: Ashok from LA. Checklist?
I don’t have a simple checklist. You have to work at it a long long time. I still do dumb things after years of hard work. The more big ideas you have the easier. We exclude a whole lot of things because they are in the too tough pile. If you exclude, you do better. Then you must have field where rationality will be rewarded. Some of political ideas – it is very hard to know how they will work out over next few centuries. We are not trying to involve ourselves. We look for things that can be done. But I have no little short list. People who sell strong abs on TV at night might have one. I have no rule for a strong brain.
Q29: I’m curious, you are student of history. Does today remind you of any time in past, and why?
I punched premium channel in hotel in Tokyo, and out came exercise in pornography. I would argue Soddom and Gomorah is still around. I think Athens of Pericles is still around today. Our bullies are similar to past eras.
Q40: CA. Average investor should invest in index funds.
All intelligent investing is value investing. Calling something a value fund doesn’t absolve it. You can call yourself a ballet dancer if you dance like me, but it is not a good thing. I wouldn’t recommend people broadly invest with any value fund. I would avoid funds that have 100% turnover per year. It is a ridiculous way for an ordinary index fund to behave. It is imperfect, but best outcome for most know-nothings, in order to avoid being misled by fools and liars.
Q45: What has changed since you first started investing?
I owe a great deal to Mr Buffett. It took a while to convince me. Warren and I together got very good at reinsurance transactions and portfolio transfers. We’ve learned together at it. Berkshire would have been a mess if it had ever stopped learning. Only reason we’ve been able to keep a shred of decency in our record is that we have been hell bent to keep learning.
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Book: Poor Charlie’s Almanack
The only duty of corporate executive is to widen the moat. We must make it wider. Every day is to widen the moat. We gave you a competitive advantage, and you must leave us the moat. There are times when it is too tough. But duty should be to widen the moat. I can see instance after instance where that isn’t what people do in business. One must keep their eye on ball of widening the moat, to be a steward of the competitive advantage that came to you. A General in England said, ‘Get you the sons your fathers got, and God will save the Queen.’ At Hewlett Packard, your responsibility is to train and deliver a subordinate who can succeed you. It is not all that complicated – all that mumbo jumbo. We make bricks in Texas which use the same process as in Mesopotamia. You need just a few bits of ethos, and particularly engineering ethos. Think through the system, and get a margin of safety.
Q13: Scott from LA. With portfolio of $2m, vs. that of Berkshire, how would your mandate be different? Small vs mid, us vs intl, etc?
If I was managing smaller money I’d be looking in smaller places, I’d look for mispricing. But I don’t want to change places with you. [laughter]
Q21: Matt from NYC. How does Berkshire thru its subsidiaries manage an annual budgeting process?
We don’t have one. Obsessing over budgets creates bad incentives. Just eliminate unnecessary costs. Budget committees tend to do just the opposite.
Q24: Ashok from LA. Checklist?
I don’t have a simple checklist. You have to work at it a long long time. I still do dumb things after years of hard work. The more big ideas you have the easier. We exclude a whole lot of things because they are in the too tough pile. If you exclude, you do better. Then you must have field where rationality will be rewarded. Some of political ideas – it is very hard to know how they will work out over next few centuries. We are not trying to involve ourselves. We look for things that can be done. But I have no little short list. People who sell strong abs on TV at night might have one. I have no rule for a strong brain.
Q29: I’m curious, you are student of history. Does today remind you of any time in past, and why?
I punched premium channel in hotel in Tokyo, and out came exercise in pornography. I would argue Soddom and Gomorah is still around. I think Athens of Pericles is still around today. Our bullies are similar to past eras.
Q40: CA. Average investor should invest in index funds.
All intelligent investing is value investing. Calling something a value fund doesn’t absolve it. You can call yourself a ballet dancer if you dance like me, but it is not a good thing. I wouldn’t recommend people broadly invest with any value fund. I would avoid funds that have 100% turnover per year. It is a ridiculous way for an ordinary index fund to behave. It is imperfect, but best outcome for most know-nothings, in order to avoid being misled by fools and liars.
Q45: What has changed since you first started investing?
I owe a great deal to Mr Buffett. It took a while to convince me. Warren and I together got very good at reinsurance transactions and portfolio transfers. We’ve learned together at it. Berkshire would have been a mess if it had ever stopped learning. Only reason we’ve been able to keep a shred of decency in our record is that we have been hell bent to keep learning.
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Book: Poor Charlie’s Almanack
David Einhorn and Bill Ackman on CNBC's Squawk Box
In order:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735143155&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735143181&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735145186&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735151413&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735154434&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735160207&play=1
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Book: Fooling Some of the People All of the Time: A Long Short Story By David Einhorn
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735143155&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735143181&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735145186&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735151413&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735154434&play=1
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=735160207&play=1
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Book: Fooling Some of the People All of the Time: A Long Short Story By David Einhorn
Thursday, May 8, 2008
Value Investing Congress - Speaker Picks
All of the presented ideas are located on the Value Investing Congress Blog. Here's a couple of them:
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Tuesday, May 6, 2008
2008 Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting Notes
For detailed notes on the whole meeting, go HERE.
Below are some of my notes. I just wrote down a few things I thought were interesting. Much of it has been said before by Mr. Buffett (WB) and Mr. Munger (CM), but good advice is always worth repeating. These are my notes and paraphrasing, not direct quotes from Warren and Charlie.
WB: There should only be 2 investment courses taught in school: (1) How to Value a Business, and (2) How to Think about Market Prices. Option pricing theory, etc. is all nonsense. [added to the etc. that is nonsense are things like Efficient Market Theory, Beta as a measure of risk, and the Capital Asset Pricing Model (CAPM)]
CM: If you have some extreme political ideology, you’re very likely to make some dumb charitable gifts.
WB: Don’t ever trade away reputation for money.
CM: While we don’t like inflation because it’s bad for our country and our civilization, we’ll probably make more money because of inflation.
WB: The most important factor in choosing a career is finding something you’re passionate about.
CM: But you’ll do better if you develop a passion in something you have an aptitude for.
In response to a question from a professor who is writing a book to help people who are introverted:
WB: The ability to communicate, both in writing and orally, is enormously important. It is great for people who have trouble with that [like he said he used to] to get into situations where they have to do it [get up and talk in front of a bunch of people, etc.], preferably with other people having trouble too, at first.
CM: It’s a real pleasure to have an educator come who is doing something simple and important instead of foolish and unimportant.
WB: [After mentioning that he shorted out the market generally while running his partnership] It is really unnecessary to short anything if you have some good long ideas.
CM: [After Buffett discussed the inefficiency in the Municipal Bond Market recently] The dislocation in Muni bonds was very brief and very extreme. You had to be ready to act fast.
CM: We prefer businesses that drown in cash. [Told a story about a friend with construction business whose profit at the end of the year was sitting in the yard] Berkshire prefers those businesses that can write a check at the end of the year.
CM: Because of human nature….we’ll have turmoil [in this world] for as far as you can see. [There will always be something.]
CM: The goal of investment is to find situations where it is safe to non-diversify. This is the opposite of what is taught in school.
WB: There may be situations where by only putting 20% or less of your net worth in an investment, you’ll miss the opportunity of a lifetime.
WB: WB read the annual report for PetroChina [without talking to management or anyone else] and thought it was worth about $100 billion. He then checked the price and it was trading for $35 billion. The basic business was easy for him to understand and there was a big margin of safety, so he bought. When oil was at about $70-75 he thought it was worth $275-300 billion which is where it was trading, so they sold.
WB: Most big food businesses are good businesses in that they earn good returns on tangible assets. You can feel good about branded products when they’re runaway leaders in their field. If you buy good branded products and don’t pay too much, you should do okay – but you won’t do exceptional because that fact is well known. A brand is a promise.
CM: A risk officer is often just a guy who makes you feel good while you do dumb things. Models and things that make you feel good and have confidence in an investment often just clobber up your head.
WB: There’s no reason to be exposed to ruin and disgrace for something that doesn’t matter that much.
There are a lot of things WB and CM can make quick decisions about because there are a whole lot of things they won’t allow themselves to take the time to think about.
CM: I would argue there’s an environmental reason for using coal. [Explained something along the lines of using those (coal) hydrocarbons so that we can save food producing hydrocarbons – oil, gas – for food production]. Most people don’t think that way, but I do.
WB: You can become, to an enormous degree, the person you want to be.
CM: Avoid being manipulated by vendors and lenders by using their own tricks. [Recommended Robert Cialdini’s book Influence, and his new book, Yes!.]
WB: Americans have an aversion to mass transit. I don’t think this view will change anytime soon.
CM: Agrees with Al Gore that we shouldn’t be burning hydrocarbons, but they have different reasons. “My brain works differently than Al Gore’s. You’ll have to decide which you prefer.”
Below are some of my notes. I just wrote down a few things I thought were interesting. Much of it has been said before by Mr. Buffett (WB) and Mr. Munger (CM), but good advice is always worth repeating. These are my notes and paraphrasing, not direct quotes from Warren and Charlie.
WB: There should only be 2 investment courses taught in school: (1) How to Value a Business, and (2) How to Think about Market Prices. Option pricing theory, etc. is all nonsense. [added to the etc. that is nonsense are things like Efficient Market Theory, Beta as a measure of risk, and the Capital Asset Pricing Model (CAPM)]
CM: If you have some extreme political ideology, you’re very likely to make some dumb charitable gifts.
WB: Don’t ever trade away reputation for money.
CM: While we don’t like inflation because it’s bad for our country and our civilization, we’ll probably make more money because of inflation.
WB: The most important factor in choosing a career is finding something you’re passionate about.
CM: But you’ll do better if you develop a passion in something you have an aptitude for.
In response to a question from a professor who is writing a book to help people who are introverted:
WB: The ability to communicate, both in writing and orally, is enormously important. It is great for people who have trouble with that [like he said he used to] to get into situations where they have to do it [get up and talk in front of a bunch of people, etc.], preferably with other people having trouble too, at first.
CM: It’s a real pleasure to have an educator come who is doing something simple and important instead of foolish and unimportant.
WB: [After mentioning that he shorted out the market generally while running his partnership] It is really unnecessary to short anything if you have some good long ideas.
CM: [After Buffett discussed the inefficiency in the Municipal Bond Market recently] The dislocation in Muni bonds was very brief and very extreme. You had to be ready to act fast.
CM: We prefer businesses that drown in cash. [Told a story about a friend with construction business whose profit at the end of the year was sitting in the yard] Berkshire prefers those businesses that can write a check at the end of the year.
CM: Because of human nature….we’ll have turmoil [in this world] for as far as you can see. [There will always be something.]
CM: The goal of investment is to find situations where it is safe to non-diversify. This is the opposite of what is taught in school.
WB: There may be situations where by only putting 20% or less of your net worth in an investment, you’ll miss the opportunity of a lifetime.
WB: WB read the annual report for PetroChina [without talking to management or anyone else] and thought it was worth about $100 billion. He then checked the price and it was trading for $35 billion. The basic business was easy for him to understand and there was a big margin of safety, so he bought. When oil was at about $70-75 he thought it was worth $275-300 billion which is where it was trading, so they sold.
WB: Most big food businesses are good businesses in that they earn good returns on tangible assets. You can feel good about branded products when they’re runaway leaders in their field. If you buy good branded products and don’t pay too much, you should do okay – but you won’t do exceptional because that fact is well known. A brand is a promise.
CM: A risk officer is often just a guy who makes you feel good while you do dumb things. Models and things that make you feel good and have confidence in an investment often just clobber up your head.
WB: There’s no reason to be exposed to ruin and disgrace for something that doesn’t matter that much.
There are a lot of things WB and CM can make quick decisions about because there are a whole lot of things they won’t allow themselves to take the time to think about.
CM: I would argue there’s an environmental reason for using coal. [Explained something along the lines of using those (coal) hydrocarbons so that we can save food producing hydrocarbons – oil, gas – for food production]. Most people don’t think that way, but I do.
WB: You can become, to an enormous degree, the person you want to be.
CM: Avoid being manipulated by vendors and lenders by using their own tricks. [Recommended Robert Cialdini’s book Influence, and his new book, Yes!.]
WB: Americans have an aversion to mass transit. I don’t think this view will change anytime soon.
CM: Agrees with Al Gore that we shouldn’t be burning hydrocarbons, but they have different reasons. “My brain works differently than Al Gore’s. You’ll have to decide which you prefer.”
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