Showing posts with label Ed Thorp. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ed Thorp. Show all posts

Saturday, December 21, 2019

Links

"Many people believe that investors must make the macro decision to be either bullish or bearish. Our preference is to be agnostic, objectively finding absolute bargains, and in their absence, holding cash. In short, we are neither bullish nor bearish. We are value-ish." --Seth Klarman

Peter Lynch: How to Find Growth Opportunities in Today’s Stock Market (LINK) ["My best stocks have been ones where I didn’t have to worry about the big picture."]

Fidelity’s Peter Lynch: Do your research, don’t ‘play’ the market (video) [H/T Linc] (LINK)

Value Investing with Legends Podcast: Bruce Greenwald - Staying on the Right Side of the Trade (LINK)

Masters of Scale with Reid Hoffman (podcast): Bill Gates — The biggest success story you haven’t heard (LINK)

Fall 2019 Exhibit | Finding the Edge: The Work and Insights of Edward O. Thorp (video) (LINK)

Druckenmiller on 2020 Outlook, Monetary Policy, U.S. Election (video) (LINK)

All Asset All Access – Insights from Research Affiliates (LINK)

Could It Be That a Minsky “Moment” Lurks in the Shadows? - by Frank K. Martin (LINK)

11 Lessons from the Success of Disney+ - by Matthew Ball (LINK)

SoftBank Vision Fund Employees Depict a Culture of Recklessness (LINK)

Key Countries Aren’t Ready for Historic Ship-Fuel Switch (LINK)

The Market Huddle Podcast: Christmas with Kuppy (LINK)

Acquired Podcast: Convoy (with CEO Dan Lewis) (LINK)

The Disruptive Voice Podcast: Choosing College: Bob Moesta and Michael Horn on Why We Hire Education (LINK)

Doctors Prescribe More of a Drug If They Receive Money from a Pharma Company Tied to It (LINK)

Farnam Street’s 2019 Annual Letter to Readers (LINK)

The Infinite Game - by Blas Moros (LINK)
I wrote an essay I wish I had been given when I graduated from college, retired from tennis, and began the transition from student-athlete to the “real world.” 
Through this essay, I hope to provide some awareness and tools, namely around self-reflection and self-awareness, how to think about how to spend your time, what to look for in a job, and the importance of coaches and mentors. 
While written through the lens of a student-athlete, hopefully some of these principles and tools apply to a broader audience.

Friday, June 1, 2018

More on the Kelly Formula...

From The Warren Buffett Portfolio:
Because the risk of overbetting far outweighs the penalties of underbetting, investors particularly those who are just beginning to use a focus investment strategy—should use fractional Kelly bets. Unfortunately, minimizing your bets also minimizes your potential gain. However, because the relationship in the Kelly model is parabolic, the penalty for underbetting is not severe. A half-Kelly, which reduces the amount of the bet by 50 percent, reduces the potential growth rate by only 25 percent. 
This seems a good place to summarize: 
1. To receive the benefit of the Kelly model, you must first be willing to think about buying stocks in terms of probabilities. 
2. You must be willing to play the game long enough to achieve its rewards. 
3. You must avoid using leverage, with its unfortunate consequence. 
4. You should demand a margin of safety with each bet you make. 
"The Kelly system is for people who simply want to compound their capital and see it grow to very large numbers over time," says Ed Thorp. "If you have a lot of time and a lot of patience, then it's the right function for you."
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Related previous posts:

Generalizing the Kelly Criterion

A quick diversification thought...

A few comments on the Berkshire Hathaway letter to shareholders

Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger on portfolio concentration, and having the right temperament for it

Wednesday, March 21, 2018

Links

"The odds are very good that there'll be opportunities from time to time. You cannot study financial history and observe the way markets and people behave and not believe that. Will we do something in the next five years? I can't say. In ten years, yes, we will." -Warren Buffett, 1988 Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting [via OID] [H/T Linc]

Why Edward Thorp Owns Only Berkshire Hathaway ($) (LINK)
Q: What’s in your portfolio now? 
A: One good stroke of good fortune was meeting Warren Buffett in 1968. It led me to realize that I needed to invest in Berkshire Hathaway (ticker: BRK.A), although I didn’t do it until 1982. It’s my single investment in the stock market. It’s like a broad value-stocks equity index. I hold it in lieu of VTSAX [the Vanguard Total Stock Market fund]. It does about as well with no current taxes to pay. VTSAX has dividends that are taxed annually. I also have some hedge funds, but I consider them not as good as Berkshire, so I use them to spend and finance other things I do. 
Q: Why not go out and find better investments, as you did in the past? 
A: When I was 35, I had lots of time and less money, so doing 10% or so better than the index, with little risk, was attractive and fun. At 85, the marginal value of time is higher and the marginal value of money is lower. These are strong disincentives when I can make a long-run 10% or so by doing nothing.
Warren Buffett’s vision for NetJets is now the company mantra, new Europe CEO says [H/T @pcordway] (LINK)

Whitney Tilson reflects on the end of his hedge fund (LINK)

The Cambridge Analytica Scandal, in 3 Quick Paragraphs (LINK)

WorkLife with Adam Grant Podcast: Is Your Personality More Flexible Than You Think? (LINK)

Peter G. Peterson, a Power From Wall St. to Washington, Dies at 91 (LINK)

Bertrand Russell’s Advice to People Living 1,000 Years in the Future: “Love is Wise, Hatred is Foolish” (LINK)

There are a couple of great deals on Kindle books today ($2.99):

Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It

WTF?: What's the Future and Why It's Up to Us

Friday, March 2, 2018

Links

"Neither Jerry nor I believed the efficient market theory. I had overwhelming evidence of inefficiency from blackjack, from the history of Warren Buffett and friends, and from our daily success in Princeton Newport Partners. We didn’t ask, Is the market efficient? but rather, In what ways and to what extent is the market inefficient? and How can we exploit this?" - Ed Thorp, A Man for All Markets [currently $1.99 on Kindle]

Is Warren Buffett Too Big to Beat the Market? - by Jason Zweig ($) (LINK)

An interview with Peter Buffett (LINK)
Related book: Life Is What You Make It: Find Your Own Path to Fulfillment
The Broyhill Annual Letter - Hilariously Rich (LINK)

New leader of $6 billion money-management firm looks to podcasts and cryptocurrencies to keep active investing relevant (LINK)

Exponent Podcast: Episode 143 — Dilly-Dallying Dropbox (LINK)

Shake Shack founder Danny Meyer on the When to Jump podcast [H/T Abnormal Returns] (LINK)

Sal Khan: "Education Reimagined" | Talks at Google (LINK)

Carl Icahn dumped millions in steel-related stock last week [H/T @eosnos] (LINK)
Related article from last year: Carl Icahn's Failed Raid on Washington (The New Yorker, August 2017) 
Possibly worth reviewing given yesterday's news on trade...
Tyler Cowen's podcast chat with Douglas Irwin whose book, Clashing over Commerce: A History of US Trade Policy, Cowen thinks is the best history of American trade policy ever written.

Tyler Cowen’s 12 rules for life (LINK)

Jordan Peterson: 'I Don't Want People Falling Down in an Ideological Abyss' (LINK)

The Role of Luck in Life Success Is Far Greater Than We Realized [H/T @sfiscience] (LINK)

The Temin Effect (LINK)

Book of the day [H/T @awealthofcs]: A Splendid Exchange: How Trade Shaped the World - by William J. Bernstein

Tuesday, February 27, 2018

Links

The Law of Unintended Consequences: Shakespeare, Cobra Breeding, and a Tower in Pisa (LINK)

Fast Food Pioneer Glen Bell and the founding of Taco Bell - by Ian Cassel (LINK)

Putting the Cards on the Table: A Talk with Edward O. Thorp, PhD (2011) [H/T Linc] (LINK) [There are also some other interviews worth checking out HERE.]

Big Consumer Brands Don’t Have an Answer for Alexa ($) (LINK)

Invest Like the Best Podcast: Private Equity Returns in Public Markets, w/ Dan Rasmussen (LINK)
Related paper: "Private Equity: Overvalued and Overrated?"
Xi Jinping May Be President for Life. What Will Happen to China? - by Evan Osnos (LINK)

Ryan Holiday's latest book—which is quite a bit different from his previous books—was released today: Conspiracy: Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue

Saturday, January 27, 2018

Links

“Buy not on optimism but on arithmetic.” – Ben Graham

Jeremy Grantham on WealthTrack (video) (LINK)

Feed the Ducks While They Are Quacking: Time to Reduce Lower Quality Bond Positions - By Lewis Johnson (LINK)

Rob Vinall's year-end letter for RV Capital [registration required] (LINK)

RV Capital's Annual Investors Conference 2018 (video) (LINK)

The Fantastic Four That Make FANG Look Tame (LINK)

Words From the Wise: An AQR Interview with Ed Thorp (LINK)
We sat down with Ed Thorp, a pioneer in the mathematical analysis of casino games and investing, to get his insights on an array of topics from casino gambling to quantitative investing. [Interview conducted December 2, 2015]
Sir Isaac Newton: Scientific Genius, Investing Fool - by Jason Zweig (LINK)
The physicist fell even harder than previously thought for one of the worst speculative bubbles of all time
Exponent Podcast: Episode 138 — A Moat Too Far (LINK)

Why I Urge You to Watch Planet Earth: Blue Planet II - by Ray Dalio (LINK)
Related previous link: Blue Planet II Is the Greatest Nature Series Of All Time - by Ed Yong

Monday, July 24, 2017

Links

Phil Ordway's talk on human misjudgment (LINK)
Here is a copy of a talk I gave at John Mihaljevic's excellent conference in Zurich last month. The goal was to "update" Charlie Munger's famous talk "The Psychology of Human Misjudment" to include more recent examples and the work of Kahneman and Tversky. The best part is probably the contribution of Jason Zweig -- collaborator with Kahneman on his book and leading expert on all things behavioral and investing -- who was kind enough to share his thoughts. A big thank you to him for that and to John for hosting an excellent event.
[Related to the above, the Word file I'll probably update at some point to include a bunch of things Phil added to the research via his talk: Charlie Munger's "The Psychology of Human Misjudgment"]

Farnam Street: A Primer on Critical Mass (LINK)

Latticework of Mental Models: Echo Chamber Effect (LINK)

A Dozen Lessons on Investing from Ed Thorp - by Tren Griffin (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Baupost Readies Dry Power Amid Frothy Markets (LINK)

Grant’s Podcast: An invigorating interview with Trey Reik of Sprott Asset Management (LINK)

Adventures in Finance podcast: The Hedge Fund That Almost Broke the World (LINK)
Before the hundreds of billions in corporate bailouts and trillions in central bank interventions, there was a time when we believed there was no way our financial models and investment strategies couldn’t be wrong. That was until a hedge fund came along that threatened to bring down the global financial system in 1998. 
Jesse Eisinger talks with Barry Ritholtz on the Masters in Business podcast (LINK)

The Tim Ferriss Show: When to Quit – Lessons from World-Class Entrepreneurs, Investors, Authors, and More (LINK)

Everything you need to know about the dichotomy of control - by Massimo Pigliucci (LINK)

The Success of Paying People to Not Cut Down Trees - by Ed Yong (LINK)

Humpback Whales Remix Their Old Songs - by Ed Yong (LINK)

The Great American Solar Eclipse of August 21, 2017 (Part 1) - by Phil Plait (LINK)

Monday, July 17, 2017

Links

"A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels.... Past thinking and methods did not prevent world wars. Future thinking must prevent wars." -Albert Einstein

Tom Russo on WealthTrack (video) [H/T ValueWalk] (LINK)

Ed Thorp talks with Barry Ritholtz on the Masters in Business podcast (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Grant’s Podcast: Hits and misses (LINK)

How I Built This podcast -- Aden + Anais: Raegan Moya-Jones (LINK)

FT Alphachat podcast: Tim Harford talks to Cardiff Garcia about his book Fifty Inventions That Shaped the Modern Economy (LINK)

Amazon Prime and other Subscription Businesses: How do you Value a Subscriber? - by Tren Griffin (LINK)

Greenlight Capital's Q2 Letter (LINK)

A Bird in the Hand is Worth…Two Marshmallows? - by Frank Martin (LINK)

GMO White Paper: Revisiting the Traditional Emerging Market Equities Allocation Framework (LINK)

From $2 Billion to Zero: A Private-Equity Fund Goes Bust in the Oil Patch ($) [H/T @williamgreen72] (LINK)

Tencent Dominates in China. Next Challenge Is Rest of the World [H/T @BaseHitInvestor] (LINK)

Counterintuitive Behavior of Social Systems - by Jay Wright Forrester (1971 paper) [H/T Adam Robinson] (LINK)

When Slower Communication Enables Faster Growth (LINK)

A History of Japan, in 9 minutes (video) [H/T Recomendo] (LINK)

Why fast birds, fish and animals are never too small or big (LINK)

What Would It Take to Completely Sterilize the Earth? - by Ed Yong (LINK)

Books of the day:

A Mind at Play: How Claude Shannon Invented the Information Age [Released tomorrow]

Crash Early, Crash Often [Kindle book]

Wishcraft: How to Get What You Really Want

"If you feel a negative emotion, including fear, your attention is on the wrong place.  Your attention should be focused on one of two things: the task at hand, or other people." -Adam Robinson (Source)

Wednesday, July 5, 2017

Links

"How we look at the world, even how we understand what someone else is saying, depends on context, and context changes with our experience and with circumstance. In the day-to-day world, these changes usually move slowly—though they do change: what we want for our lives, what we strive for and sacrifice for, are different at ages fifteen and fifty. The changes that come slowly with life experience speed up during a crisis. And having lived through one crisis, we will be a different person and come to the next one differently." -Richard Bookstaber (The End of Theory)

Human Misjudgment and the American Revolution (LINK)

Lessons Learned After Almost a Year (of podcasting) - by Patrick O'Shaughnessy (LINK)

Grant’s Podcast: Big, dumb Japanese banks (LINK)

How the iPhone Built a City in China (LINK)

Learning from Ed Thorp (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Is America Encouraging the Wrong Kind of Entrepreneurship? (LINK)

Arthritis is the price for our ancestors surviving the Ice Age, say scientists (LINK)

Why 2,000 Year-Old Roman Concrete Is So Much Better Than What We Produce Today (LINK)

How The Democratic Republic of Congo Beat Ebola In 42 Days - by Ed Yong (LINK)

Wednesday, March 1, 2017

Links

Warren Buffett: This Is Who I Would Have Picked to Manage My Money [H/T @jasonzweigwsj] (LINK)

Netflix Lesson on Focus (LINK)

Ed Thorp’s Advice on How to Live a Good Life (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Mutual Fund Observer, March 2017 (LINK)

The Tim Ferriss Show (podcast): John Crowley — The Real-Life Captain America and Bruce Banner (Seriously) (LINK)
Related book: The Cure: How a Father Raised $100 Million--and Bucked the Medical Establishment--in a Quest to Save His Children
Yuval Harari on how meditation made him a better historian (LINK)
Related books: 1) Sapiens; 2) Homo Deus
Wild Elephants Sleep Just Two Hours a Night (LINK)

Thursday, February 9, 2017

Links

Jason Zweig talks with Vishal Khandelwal (LINK)

Ed Thorp talks with Meb Faber (podcast) (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Vacuum up those pennies – and let Warren Buffett invest them for you! - by Mohnish Pabrai (LINK)

The Broyhill Book Club 2016 (LINK)

Oaktree's Howard Marks Is Cautious, But Still Investing (video) [H/T ValueWalk] (LINK)

Interview with Jeff Bezos and Steve Boom, VP of Amazon Music, about the music industry, Echo and Alexa's place in it [H/T Techmeme] (LINK)

Alphabet opts to spell out its stock options (LINK)
Google is about to go cold turkey on Silicon Valley’s favourite financial drug. 
Issuing mountains of stock to employees — and then turning a blind eye to the impact on profits — has been a not-so-secret dirty habit of the US tech industry for years. 
But the times are changing. In a little-noticed announcement, the internet company’s parent, Alphabet, let slip on its last earnings call that it is about to alter its treatment of stock-based compensation — a $6.7bn cost last year. From this quarter, it will stop presenting a view of its earnings that ignores stock costs. 
Had that been applied in 2016, the earnings figure that Wall Street used to judge the company would have been nearly 20 per cent lower. Its trailing price/earnings ratio would be 34, not the 27 seen through more rosy spectacles. 
Alphabet’s rethink is a watershed moment in the financial maturity of Google’s parent and the evolution of the Valley. The giant companies that dominate today’s tech landscape are finally feeling the financial self-confidence to deal with mainstream investors on their own terms. What this means for the next generation of up-and-coming tech companies is another matter.
A16z: What Happens When Mobile (Really) Hits the Wallet? (video) (LINK)

A16z Podcast: Cars and Cities, the Autonomy Edition (LINK)

The Production of Money: how to break the power of bankers (audio) (LINK)

Deep Work vs. Messy: How to Balance Productivity and Creativity [H/T @TimHarford] (LINK)

In Bacteria, Persistence Leads to Resistance - by Ed Yong (LINK)

Friday, February 3, 2017

Links

Adam Robinson on Tim Ferriss' podcast: Lessons from Warren Buffett, Bobby Fischer, and Other Outliers (LINK)
Related previous posts: 1) Things that don't make sense...; 2) Having time to think... [They start the podcast above off with the Buffett calendar story.]
How to Review a Proxy Statement (LINK)

Trump Moves to Undo Dodd-Frank Law (LINK)

Discount broker shares tumble on price war fears (LINK)

Amazon now has more than 341K employees after adding 110K people in 2016 alone (LINK)

The investor’s dilemma: Why investing in lower cost innovations is difficult in healthcare (LINK)

Lunch with the FT: Ed Thorp: the man who beat the casinos, then the markets (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets
Exponent Podcast: Episode 103 — Dull Knives Don’t Cut (LINK)
Ben and James discuss what kind of politicians and products cut through in the Internet age, and why they are profoundly different than what worked before.
Jack Schwager on the Macro Voices podcast (audio) (LINK)
Related book: A Complete Guide to the Futures Market
FT Alphachat podcast: How the world was shaped by goofing off (LINK)
Related book: Wonderland: How Play Made the Modern World
Dan Dennett talks about his new book, and other things (video) (LINK)
Related book (released next week): From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds - by Daniel C. Dennett 
World’s most endangered marine mammal has 30 individuals left (LINK)

Friday, January 27, 2017

Links

“The greatest hindrance to living is expectancy, which depends upon the morrow and wastes today. You dispose of that which lies in the hands of Fortune, you let go that which lies in your own. Whither do you look? At what goal do you aim? All things that are still to come lie in uncertainty; live straightway!” -Seneca (On the Shortness of Life)

Transcript of a talk Sanjay Bakshi gave this week: What Do Conservative Value Investors Look For In Risk Seeking Entrepreneurs? (LINK)

Michael Mauboussin reflects on 30 years in the markets (FT Alphachat podcast) (LINK)
Related paper: Reflections on the Ten Attributes of Great Investors
Small Things that Make a Big Difference - by Ian Cassel (LINK)

Renowned value investor Francis Chou is willing to wait on a bargain (LINK)

BNSF Announces Plan for 2017 Capital Investments [H/T Linc] (LINK)

A Default in China Spreads Anxiety Among Investors [H/T Matt] (LINK)

What did NAFTA really do? [H/T @cullenroche] (LINK)

Ed Thorp on the Chat With Traders podcast (LINK)
Related book: A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market - by Edward O. Thorp
Exponent podcast: Episode 102 — Snakes and Ladders (LINK)
Ben and James discuss the history of messaging apps, the rise of Snapchat, and why Instagram Stories was such a brilliant move.
Tim Ferriss on the Recode Decode podcast (LINK)
Related book: Tools of Titans: The Tactics, Routines, and Habits of Billionaires, Icons, and World-Class Performers
Scientists create a part-human, part-pig embryo — raising the possibility of interspecies organ transplants [H/T Linc] (LINK)

How Life (and Death) Spring From Disorder [H/T @mjmauboussin] (LINK)
Life was long thought to obey its own set of rules. But as simple systems show signs of lifelike behavior, scientists are arguing about whether this apparent complexity is all a consequence of thermodynamics.
Book of the day: Process and Reality - by Alfred North Whitehead

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[Below is a section from the Oaktree video linked to yesterday--a discussion between Howard Marks and Ian Schapiro--that I thought was worth posting here for easy future reference.]

Risks to Avoid:

  • Commodity Risk
  • Turnaround Risk
  • Technology/Start-up/Venture Risk
  • Leverage Risk
  • Regulatory Risk
  • Inertia Risk


Wednesday, October 5, 2016

Links

The Carroll Culture: "He Focuses On Your Purpose Beyond The Game" (LINK) [If anyone knows of other articles describing great cultures like this, please feel free to pass along. Thanks. And while I've only read one of them so far, I've seen recommended that three of the best books on examples of great cultures are the three listed at the top of the list HERE.]
Of all the things that help shape Carroll’s philosophy on coaching—on life really—one of the most important is an idea that sounds simple, but is actually rather complex in its application: helping people be the best they can be. And an important distinction to make here is that the focus isn’t on helping an athlete be the best football player he can be, but on helping that individual be the best person he can be. Take care of that first, and the football part will follow
Nassim Taleb's Foreword to Ed Thorp’s Memoirs, A Man for All Markets (LINK)
Ed was initially an academic, but he favored learning by doing, with his skin in the game. When you reincarnate as practitioner, you want the mountain to give birth to the simplest possible strategy, and one that has the smallest amount of side effects, the minimum possible hidden complications. The genius of Ed is demonstrated in the way he came up with very simple rules in Black Jack. Instead of engaging in complicated combinatorics and memory–challenging card counting (something that requires one to be a savant), he crystallizes all his sophisticated research into simple rules. Go to a Black Jack table. Keep a tally. Start with zero. Add one for some strong cards, minus ones for weak ones, and nothing for others. It is easy to just increment up and down mentally, bet larger when the number is high, smaller when it is low, and such a strategy is immediately applicable by anyone with the ability to tie his shoes or find a casino on a map. Even while using wearable computers at the roulette table, the detection of edge was simple, so simple that one can get it while standing on a balance ball in the gym; the fanciness resides in the implementation and the wiring.
Google and the Limits of Strategy - by Ben Thompson (LINK)

Amazon rolls out Prime Reading, giving Prime members free access to more than 1,000 books and magazines (LINK)

Weird orange crocodiles found gorging on bats in Gabon’s caves (LINK)

Cod may have regional accents, scientists say (LINK)

Saturday, May 4, 2013

Ed Thorp quote

“If you have a really strong conviction about your edge, then the best thing to do is sit there and take your lumps. If, however, you believe there is a reasonable chance that you might not have an edge, then you better have a safety mechanism that constrains your losses on drawdowns.” –Ed Thorp, as quoted in Hedge Fund Market Wizards

Ed Thorp quote

From the book Hedge Fund Market Wizards:

Jack Schwager: What do you think is the biggest mistake people make in the markets?

Ed Thorp: Looking to outside sources for guidance in their positions. The belief that you can watch CNBC and get useful advice is very misguided. You really have to formulate your own opinion and not rely on so-called experts.

Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Ed Thorp, Jack Schwager, and the Kelly criterion

Excerpt from Jack Schwager’s interview with Ed Thorp in the book Hedge Fund Market Wizards:

The Kelly criterion is the fraction of capital to wager to maximize compounded growth of capital. Even when there is an edge, beyond some threshold, larger bets will result in lower compounded return because of the adverse impact of volatility. The Kelly criterion defines this threshold. The Kelly criterion indicates that the fraction that should be wagered to maximize compounded return over the long run equals:

 F = PW – (PL/W)

where

F = Kelly criterion fraction of capital to bet
W = Dollars won per dollar wagered (i.e., win size divided by loss size)
PW = Probability of winning
PL = Probability of losing

When win size and loss size are equal, the formula reduces to:

F = PW – PL


For example, if a trader loses $1,000 on losing trades and gains $1,000 on winning trades, and 60 percent of all trades are winning trades, the Kelly criterion indicates an optimal trade size equal to 20 percent (0.60 − 0.40 = 0.20).

As another example, if a trader wins $2,000 on winning trades and loses $1,000 on losing trades, and the probability of winning and losing are both equal to 50 percent, the Kelly criterion indicates an optimal trade size equal to 25 percent of capital: 0.50 − (0.50/2) = 0.25.

Proportional overbetting is more harmful than underbetting. For example, betting half the Kelly criterion will reduce compounded return by 25 percent, while betting double the Kelly criterion will eliminate 100 percent of the gain. Betting more than double the Kelly criterion will result in an expected negative compounded return, regardless of the edge on any individual bet. The Kelly criterion implicitly assumes that there is no minimum bet size. This assumption prevents the possibility of total loss. If there is a minimum trade size, as is the case in most practical investment and trading situations, then ruin is possible if the amount falls below the minimum possible bet size.

[Thorp]: The Kelly criterion of what fraction of your capital to bet seemed like the best strategy over the long run. When I say long run, a week playing blackjack in Vegas might not sound very long. But long run refers to the number of bets that are placed, and I would be placing thousands of bets in a week. I would get to the long run pretty fast in a casino. In the stock market, it’s not the same thing. A year of placing trades in the stock market will not be a long run. But there are situations in the stock market where you get to the long run pretty fast—for example, statistical arbitrage. In statistical arbitrage, you would place tens or hundreds of thousands of trades in a year. The Kelly criterion is the bet size that will produce the greatest expected growth rate in the long term. If you can calculate the probability of winning on each bet or trade and the ratio of the average win to average loss, then the Kelly criterion will give you the optimal fraction to bet so that your long-term growth rate is maximized.

The Kelly criterion will give you a long-term growth trend. The percentage deviations around that trend will decline as the number of bets increases. It’s like the law of large numbers. For example, if you flip a coin 10 times, the deviation from the expected value of five will by definition be small—it can’t be more than five—but in percentage terms, the deviations can be huge. If you flip a coin 1 million times, the deviation in absolute terms will be much larger, but in percentage terms, it will be very small. The same thing happens with the Kelly criterion: in percentage terms, the results tend to converge on the long-term growth trend. If you use any other criterion to determine bet size, the long-term growth rate will be smaller than for the Kelly criterion. For betting in casinos, I chose the Kelly criterion because I wanted the highest long-term growth rate. There are, however, safer paths that have smaller drawdowns and a lower probability of ruin.


…if you bet half the Kelly amount, you get about three-quarters of the return with half the volatility. So it is much more comfortable to trade. I believe that betting half Kelly is psychologically much better.

[Schwager]: Say I am playing casino blackjack, and I know what the odds are. Do I bet full Kelly?

[Thorp]: Probably not quite. Why? Because sometimes the dealer will cheat me. So the probabilities are a little different from what I calculated because there may be something else going on in the game that is outside my calculations. Now go to Wall Street. We are not able to calculate exact probabilities in the first place. In addition, there are things that are going on that are not part of one’s knowledge at the time that affect the probabilities. So you need to scale back to a certain extent because overbetting is really punishing—you get both a lower growth rate and much higher variability. Therefore, something like half Kelly is probably a prudent starting point. Then you might increase from there if you are more certain about the probabilities and decrease if you are less sure about the probabilities.

[Schwager]: In practice, did you end up gravitating to half Kelly?

[Thorp]: I was never forced to make that decision because there were so many trade opportunities that I usually couldn’t put on more than a moderate fraction of Kelly on any single trade. Once in a while, there would be an exceptional situation, and I would hit it pretty hard.


…there are no zero-risk trades.

[Schwager]: Do you want to expound?

[Thorp]: There was some remote possibility that we overlooked something. There is always the possibility that there is some unknown factor.

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Joe’s comments:

A couple of important things to remember about the Kelly criterion are that it is really only useful when a large enough number of bets can be made (i.e. you need repeatability) and over-betting will eventually lead to ruin. It is hard to apply to investing because you almost never know the exact odds or the exact payoffs. But I do believe it can be generalized to investing.

If you can do enough work so that you have extremely high confidence that PW is greater than PL and where the amount you make if you are right is greater than the amount you lose if you are wrong, then the Kelly criterion will say it is a bet worth taking. Yes, there are situations where the payoffs can be high enough where the Kelly criterion would say to make the bet even if PW is less than PL, but I think you can build in an extra margin of safety by only focusing on situations where your diligence leads you to believe that PW > PL AND $W > $L.

Then you next need to decide what size to make the position. You want to have a big enough position size to make a difference, but you have to make sure not to make your position sizes too big, which I think may happen as a result of having too much confidence when you put in a lot of work to understand something, or from not doing enough work and thus not understanding the odds and payoffs well enough....so either from overconfidence or lack of effort.

And as all of these decisions still depend on judgment and putting in the work to able to make good judgments, I think this Charlie Munger quote might be most fitting: "It's not supposed to be easy. Anyone who finds it easy is stupid."

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Related link: Understanding Fortune's Formula - by Edward O. Thorp (Column 21)